Former National MP Dame Marilyn Waring has gathered a group of female former MPs to hold their own “people’s select committee” on the Government’s pay equity changes.
The unofficial committee is rounded out with former MPs Jackie Blue, Jo Hayes and Belinda Vernon from National, Nanaia Mahuta, Lianne Dalziel, Steve Chadwick and Lynne Pillay from Labour, Ria Bond from New Zealand First and Sue Bradford from the Greens. All are working on a “pro bono” — unpaid — basis.
Independent consultant Amy Ross, previously the Public Service Commission’s lead on pay equity, and former Parliamentary librarian and researcher Bessie Sutherland would provide additional research support, and would be paid.
Unofficial committee formed with former MPs from National, Labour, NZ First and the Greens. (Source: 1News)
Dame Marilyn said the committee was planning to hold its first session, hearing from submitters, in Wellington on August 11 with subsequent sittings via Zoom to allow for submitters to attend from around the country. All sessions would be public.
She said the committee would be aiming to gather the evidence the Government should have.
“I sat in a Parliament that was bedevilled by urgency under Muldoon… on many occasions. But my beef here is, where was the evidence?
Constitutional experts and commentators say they worry about the upwards trend in the use of urgency by governments of all stripes. (Source: Q and A)
“I’m sure it’s there, but it has not had a vehicle for publicity. It has not been brought together in a consolidated, rigorous way for people to make their own decisions, as opposed to just listening to a lot of kind of high-flying cliches.”
Some of the submitters on the original bill — such as Business NZ — had changed their minds without explaining why, she said.
“We can see that 600 people or groups made submissions the last time the legislation was up for amendment, and we’ll be sorting through those to invite key people who made submissions .
“We’ll be inviting the 33 groups whose claims were effectively disbanded by this legislation, and we will hope to write a report for the public and for you all by Christmas.”
While the committee would be unable to compel people to appear as Parliament could, it could offer confidentiality and anonymity to some submitters, she said.
“I expect from both the public and private sector that things will ‘fall off a truck’,” she said.
The Public Service Association (PSA), the Council of Trade Unions and Whānau Manaaki Kindergartens were also providing support, but Dame Marilyn said the idea was entirely her’s. The former MPs gathered in less than a week.
“It was all my initiative. I did have a friend inside the PSA with whom I was corresponding about the legislation… and she said to me, can you think of anything? So I went for a long swim — which is when I think — and, by the time I’d finished the swim, I thought, ‘We’ll have a select committee.’
“I started making calls on the seventh [of May], and it was over by the 12th.”
She rejected any suggestion the committee’s view was already bedded in, saying it would look at the changes made by the Government and the evidence for and against.
“No. It’s an evidence-gathering mission,” she said. “There’s going to be a really sound report. The Government says that it wants to progress pay equity claims, the opposition is saying that it will rescind this and again address the legislation. So we’re doing them all a good turn.”
Fears the government’s pay equity reset will leave many community-funded services out of pocket. (Source: 1News)
However, the committee members did appear to agree that the process the coalition had taken in passing the legislative changes was inappropriate.
“Well, that’s exactly how I couched my invitation to them — that we wanted evidence.”
She said the committee was negotiating with Speaker Gerry Brownlee, hoping to hold the first session at Parliament — but Parliament itself would not be providing any organisational support.
‘Wage theft on a national scale’
PSA national secretary Fleur Fitzsimons said the union were “enormously proud” to be supporting the initiative, and would be making its own submission, “however, this should not have been necessary”.
“The Government — without any signalling during the election campaign and no ability for women to have their say in a select committee — committed constitutional vandalism and wage theft on a national scale. We really want the opportunity to be heard about how we achieve pay equity for New Zealand women,” she said.
“The Government say they want to achieve that too, so they should have nothing to be scared of in setting up their own select committee. However, given they are unwilling to do that at this stage, we’re very supportive and welcoming of this ‘people’s select committee’.”
In a statement, National Council of Women spokesperson Dellwyn Stuart said the women’s organisations that made up their membership were shocked by “the arrogance displayed by the coalition Government”.
Workplace Relations Minister Brooke van Velden spoke to Breakfast about the changes. (Source: Breakfast)
“This Government is gaslighting women. It says one thing, and does the opposite. They have executed, under stealth, the biggest setback for women in 35 years.
“Through this people’s select committee a vital platform for women’s voices will be restored, and we encourage women and their representative organisations to make submissions.”
Minister: ‘Law is simpler and more robust’
Workplace Relations Minister Brooke van Velden told 1News in a statement: “The Government does not intend to change the law, we believe we’ve made the law simpler and more robust. Pay equity remains and the new system is now in place.
Van Velden said members of the public, including former MPs, were welcome to hold their own meetings.
“Current parliamentarians have opportunity to question the Government and Ministers and public records are available for everyone to access. I have presented evidence during Committee of the Whole House, responded to oral and written parliamentary questions, answered at annual review hearings and we will receive further questions in scrutiny week shortly.”
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